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Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Charter Review Committee Meets Thursday

The Charter Review Committee will meet at 5:30 p.m. Thursday on the fourth floor of City Hall.

A meeting schedule has been released, and a public comment period will be listed on all agendas.

For the meeting schedule and Thursday's agenda, click here.

7-29-08 Minutes, click here.

8-27-08 Minutes, click here.


Blogger BobbyWC said...

"5. Discussion and possible action on changes to the City of Brownsville Charter
Articles I through Article II"

Would not transparency demand that Committee Members include in the agenda the proposed changes?

MZ, Iknow you are only one voice - but this continues to smell rotten.

Thanks for keeping us informed - I will do my best to be there.

I went to Marcia's event today - I was unimpressed - spoke 5 minutes and then did not invite questions. She did stick around to answer questions one on one, but not as part of the open forum.


Wednesday, September 03, 2008  
Blogger Melissa Zamora said...


There are no proposed changes, yet. At last week's meeting, the committee decided to review the first two articles as homework, and suggest/comment/discuss our ideas at the next meeting. The agenda item is rather ambiguous.

I know minutes were taken, and I've requested them so I can post here, too.

I'm working on a Web site for the committee that will allow for public input, but it's taking me some time. I hope to complete it by this weekend.

We also discussed holding a public forum to gain input, and I hope we'll schedule a date soon. We also invite folks to provide input during the public comment period.

I will also propose a general e-mail address for folks to send comments/recommendations.

I attended the meet-and-greet for the Herald editor, too. I remain optimistic after meeting and chatting with her this morning.

Wednesday, September 03, 2008  
Blogger BobbyWC said...

Thanks for keeping us informed - this clarifies my concerns - but before they vote for any changes the proposed changes need to be posted in the agenda with the name of the committee member making the proposed change

again, thanks - Marcia told me she did not like the local blogs so she does not read them My conversation is tomorrow's post

bobby wc

Wednesday, September 03, 2008  
Blogger Melissa Zamora said...

Capt. Bob,

Can you please submit your comment again? I approved it, but for some reason, it's not appearing.

If you deleted it, no problem.


Wednesday, September 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree proposed changes should be posted but I disagree that the name of the committee member that proposed it needs to be posted. That to me is an attempt to politicize things. If it’s a good proposal it should not matter who is proposing it. Please to not turn this into a political thing. It's to important.

Thursday, September 04, 2008  
Blogger BobbyWC said...

I concur - see I can be reasoned with when the argument is sound

Bobby WC

Thursday, September 04, 2008  
Anonymous Stan said...

Ms. Zamora,

Thanks for your service on this committee and thanks for posting the minutes. I think a lot of us are counting on you to keep it transparent.

ON the proposers of changes, I would think all proposals would be by motion and the mover would be identified in the minutes. That would include admendments if you're following standard rules.

As far as politicizing the process, it is inherently political. One of the errors of the progressives a hundred years ago was that public processes could be accomplished apolitically. Policy making is a political act and this committee is being asked to reconsider basic policy, the charter.

My guess is that, were the anonymous commenter above were to identify him or herself, we'd have a clue as to why he or she wants things anonymous. Anonymity might help for a while in some situations, but, sooner or later, even the most honest whistleblower has to come forward and anonymity is as often a help to a mischief maker as it is to an honest broker.

Thursday, September 04, 2008  
Blogger BobbyWC said...

It must be the medication because Stan just moved me back to my original position

Sorry, I guess I am too easily influenced.

Bobby WC

Thursday, September 04, 2008  
Blogger Joshua said...


Can you perhaps request/suggest that whoever compiles the minutes keep a tally of individual votes, rather than general votes. For example: "A made a motion. B seconded it. The motion passed by a vote of 4 ayes (A, B, C and D) to 2 nays (Y and Z).

This should be a relatively easy task for whoever is taking minutes. Plus, it will also provide transparency to the process, and enable the general public to hold the elected officials accountable for their appointments.

Friday, September 05, 2008  
Anonymous Stan said...

Interesting comment, BWC. Is it our duty to resist persuasion? Are we at fault when we find an argument persuasive? Is 'honesty' or 'honor' available to the first gut level reaction we have?

This is sort of the whole of Brownsville politics. It is taken as a matter of course that politics is about connections-- family and business, primarily-- that nothing political can be looked at impersonally, i.e., objectively, which makes it difficult to actually have policy discussions.

I know I've been guilty. A while back I had an 'encounter' with our illustrious Councilman Atkinson in an exchange of comments on one of the blogs. I expressed my frustration with the reports on repair costs of Pablo Kisel Blvd I'd gotten after several months of trying, reports which were demonstrably false. When I pointed this out, Mr. Atkinson went into ad hominem attack mode. I'd insulted his guy. shame on me. Of course, not a word from either Atkinson or his man at public works on the numbers or the larger points that the taxpayers had been screwed royally by one of our fabled developers or that public works has no clue what scheduled, preventive maintenance is about or that there is no engineering oversight in public works, just a bunch of guys with experience at slinging hot mix around, which, I suppose, from Mr. Atkinson's point of view, is cheaper but, almost without doubt, is more expensive in the long run.

Anyway, thanks for conceding a point, even in a less than gracious fashion.

And it's not just Charlie Atkinson who avoids actually policy issues

Sunday, September 07, 2008  

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