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Wednesday, October 8, 2008

Stadium Deal, United League Baseball Draws Concern


Yes, the City Commission majority voted at its meeting Tuesday to build a $7.5 million stadium in Brownsville.

The Brownsville Herald reported that "the lease agreement covers 46 acres and is the culmination of lengthy talks between United Sports Equities, LLC of Florida. The stadium would be the home field for the Brownsville Charros, a member of United League Baseball."

Interestingly, a Sept. 22 online article provided the following update on the United League Baseball:

"United League Baseball: Any proposed dismantling of the ULB by the league's current ownership has been put on hold by a court injunction, but the future of the league is uncertain. Also uncertain is a proposed 2009 Brownsville (TX) expansion team that has been listed as the Brownsville Charros."

Perhaps the cloud of uncertainty has since been lifted, but I've yet to find another update.

Quien Sobby.

29 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people that come to speak on behalf of ULB always seem shifty. They hesitate with every question and Commissioners have to pull the answers out. They seem like kids who've done something wrong but mom and dad don't know exactly what, so they answer every question very carefully so as not to give themselves away.

I hope it works out, but even if the other multiuse features are used by BISD, UTB, or private clubs, I thought these groups were suppossed to use the Sports Park.

Patricia A.

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure this stadium is a bad idea. I'm normally for expansion and growth especially when it means jobs and something new for people to do but it just seems like there are so many other ideas out there that we're not exploring. Spending $7 million on anything during this economic downtown should be heavily scrutinized.

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to the sports park option? I thought that's where the stadium would be built for the ULB. Besides anyway, the ULB has filed for bankruptcy. What gives?

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D93MFAG00.html

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Blogger Joshua said...

The following is a quote from The Herald's story:

The City Commission's minority said the venture with the Florida-based Alton Gloor Stadium Group L.L.C. and Brownsville Stadium Group L.L.C. was too risky of an investment and that city should have other priorities, such as streets.

Is this "Alton Gloor," as in the boulevard? If not, who is behind this group as well as the Brownsville Stadium Group, L.L.C.?

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Blogger Kurgan said...

Do they recall the turmoil of the Edinburg franchise?

Harlingen has been nearly banrupt on several seperate occasions.

Is this a case of wanting what the Jones' have?

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Blogger Rorschach said...

This is just another ridiculous idea by the city to spend 7 million dollars on a baseball stadium. Instead of adding more police officers, fixing the streets, cleaning the parks, combating corruption, the city decides to spend it on a baseball stadium. It is funny how people are saying that this will create jobs. Oh yes, it is everyone's dream to serve people nachos and sodas and cleaning and cutting yards. How about bringing good jobs with good salaries to Brownsville.

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see the situation here is that the jobs that wil be produced will not only be from the baseball stadium but from the retail developement they will build right in front of it, google hope properties and its the baseball plaza thing, if its made itll be a really nice addition to our community along with the west loop which will be near by!!!

HL

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://hopepropertiestx.com/portfolio2.php

look at this link everyone before you draw a conclusion


HL

Wednesday, October 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alton Gloor leading to the Ballpark is disgusting. Not a good location.

Thursday, October 09, 2008  
Blogger Kurgan said...

HL,

I apologize, but there is not much there to inspire confidence. For the face, it appears to be a four person office, one of which is full time on the "Ball Park Plaza"? The biggest claim to fame is "inspiring the revitalization of Brownsville's retail corridor".

The real questions you should be asking are:

1 - Who owns that property?
2 - Who is the broker on the deal?
3 - What bank is financing the deal?
4 - Who is selling the insurance on the deal?
5 - Who will Hope be subcontracting on the deal?
6 - Who is buying land adjacent to this development?
7 - If roads are being built or new infrastructure is required, will it be the responsibility of the city?
8 - Will the developers of any adjacent land, especially land that will have new roads running through the middle of it, benefit from this new infrastructure?
9 - Are any of the people associated with the answers to the above question, family or business associates with any Commissioner who voted for the deal?
10- Is there any person who is associated with the answers to the above questions routine or recurring contributors to political campaigns of the Commissioners who voted for the project or any of the muscle behind the Commissioners winning their respective seats?

K

Thursday, October 09, 2008  
Blogger Rorschach said...

It still is a ridiculous idea HL. Brownsville is one of the poorest cities in the nation. Take a trip to southmost, cameron park and other poor areas in Brownsville. The least residents from these areas want is more stores since many residents can not even afford to buy food or pay the bills. That money could have been used for better things than a mall and stadium.

Thursday, October 09, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HUM!!!

--WHO IS DOING HUM A FAVOR???
--WHO IS GOING TO GET HUM A JOB??
--WHO IS GOING TO GET HUM (LET's SAY) A PROMOTION??

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HUM!!!!

Saturday, October 11, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't like the name "The Charros". How about something more mainstream, like the Jaguars, or something.

Saturday, October 11, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Charros? Why not the Burros!

Sunday, October 12, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kurgan im not really into details so i wouldnt know the majority of what you said i should know but what i do know is that the land they are going to use was donated to the city so the city would not be wasting a penny on the developement part. what i also know is that i dont live in southmost or cameron park so i dont care on there behalf and to be honest with yall the majority of those kids dont even like baseball they like soccer so who cares. not to mention cameron park doesnt even pay taxes to the city so they are just simply out of this conversation! Little Leaguers and high school baseball players in the city would love a thing like this. these kids would be able to grow with baseball and have a decent source of baseball to admire. i think the whole poorest city in the nation thing is being used way to much, wouldnt you think this developement could employ people from the southmost or cameron park areas? enough with the 3rd world country mentality because brownsville is much much much better than that. enough with the complaining please! its time our city starts taking risks because thats the only way we are going to found out what we are trully capable of. we need a new outlook and mentality for the future of our city. OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW mentality that is and elected officials hehehe!

p.s. im only 22

HL

Sunday, October 12, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rorschach why do you insist that we help people from those areas more and more! dont you think our government does enough?? i mean c'mon the majority of those people are cheating the system anyways so they are just reaping the benefits like nothing (not all, most). not to mention they pay little to nothing of taxes, its the middle class that deserves something like this, im sorry but its time that the middle class takes a stand and says "show me what my taxes can do besides pay for someones 10 kids!!!" now tax payers can have something to show for other than someone elses food stamps. so dont give me that less fortunate stuff cause those people have oppurtunites to better themselves but they dont (not all once again, most). Remember the governments help is to help you get on track not to live off!

HL

Sunday, October 12, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the Brownsville Rivercrossers, Tacerias, Nacos, Costrosos, Mojados, Taquaches,Pendejos or the Brownies?

Sunday, October 12, 2008  
Blogger Kurgan said...

HL,

You can't go out and advocate for something based on the pretty pictures and then claim that you are too young or ill informed to argue effectively.

I do not disagree with your assertion that risks should be taken, but there will be some prudence involved.

K

Monday, October 13, 2008  
Blogger The Merovingian said...

Does anyone recall the silly push to extend Morrison Rd westward?

Does anyone recall how the "20,000 home" development that nobody knew details about got into the City's bond rating portfolio? (This little tidbit was uncovered by Emma Perez-Treviño and is in the Herald archives)

Folks, it is not the ballpark. It is about who owns the land behind Academy along the direction of Morrison road that will "justify" the spending of the bulk of any street bond money to install infrastructure in that cow pasture.

By justifying the extension for the ballpark, No developer impact fees will be assessed

Where did David A. Sanchez get the money to be listed as a partner in those holdings?

Which of the usual suspects is looking to suck the life out of public funding for their personal gain, yet again?

Does anyone want to venture a guess that the extension of Morrison will now take on "a new and pressing priority"?

That ball park stinks more than you know.

"Of course I know. It is my business to know." -The Merovingian

Monday, October 13, 2008  
Blogger Kurgan said...

HL,

Takes notes, Mero just answered aout five of the ten questions for you.

K

Monday, October 13, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K,kay,kae,Kurgan or whatever,

i got a lot more complicated notes to look over than those types of things (trust Physical Chemistry is tough). advocating is what i do on the side, i might not know every detail about every project but i do understand what is going on and i will express my opinion on how i feel about things whether people like it or not. SORRY I DONT KNOW IT ALL unlike you but i could possibly tell you about the many mechanisms occuring in your body as you read my reply to your "trying to shut me down comment! (booos in the background)".oh ya, it isnt my INABLITY (PLEASE) not to argue because of lack of details or because of my age, it is because no one simply cares about details, because when this structure is built they will not ask "Who is the broker on the deal? or what bank is financing this deal?" they will ask " is this baseball team any good?!?!?". So lets not try to act a "badass" on the internet when all we are doing is stating our positions on a topic. You got a hell of writing style ill give you that and its because you typed " i do not disagree" why not type i do agree with your blah blah blah... cant admit were on the same boat about something? Overall, it really seems you take pride in your trying to be politically correct when sadly no one even really cared what you were trying to prove. In the end, i think you are the only one that got the answers to your own questions!

"Cum homine de cane debeo congredi "

HL

Tuesday, October 14, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Merovingian said...
Does anyone recall the silly push to extend Morrison Rd westward?

SOMEONE WAS JUST WAITING FOR THE RAILROAD TO GO AWAY, THEN THE EXTENION COULD GO THRU.


Folks, it is not the ballpark. It is about who owns the land behind Academy along the direction of Morrison road.

YEAH!!
WHO OWNS THAT LAND??

Tuesday, October 14, 2008  
Blogger Kurgan said...

Sorry HL,

I didn't mean to put you off. You made a statement and didn't really support it. I was just talking about something deeper than the surface.

Not trying to shut you down, but we just seem tot be talking about two seperate issues.

On the idea of attendance, Edinburg had a team on the field that won multiple league championships and they still wnet under.

KURGAN

Tuesday, October 14, 2008  
Anonymous Stan said...

HL

"im sorry but its time that the middle class takes a stand and says 'show me what my taxes can do besides pay for someones 10 kids!!!'"

Decently built and maintained streets would be a plus. I'd like the City of Brownsville to master the basics before we go on to the advanced.

And how can you claim to advocate for something when you don't know the facts? You shut yourself down. Boosterism without knowledge is usually destructive in the long run.

Anybody chase down the owners of the land, yet?

Tuesday, October 14, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K,

i see where your coming from on attendance. thats edinburgh though, remember the biggest age group of our city back in the census of 2000 was the grade school kids. I really support this baseball team coming to Brownsville because i coached Little League this past year and i know that there are tons of kids that would push their parents to take them out to a good ole' fashioned night out at the baseball park. I remember playing Little League back in the 90's and we use to drive to Harlingen to go see the White Wings, that business that was taken to Harlingen will now be taken to Alton Gloor, lets just hope for the best and maybe this team could potentially bring home a couple ULB championships!

"Vinculum unitatis"

HL

Tuesday, October 14, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stan,

why do i have to know the facts?? by me knowing whos gonna finance this project matters to me because???
the fact is that the area of land where this will be build was donated to the city of brownsville! it is the chunk of land that sits in the middle of the mountain bike trail off of west alton gloor!
NO, the trail is not going any where, it will still be around the stadium, yes all of it!

HL

Wednesday, October 15, 2008  
Blogger PanchoLaNeta said...

If I recall that land belonged to Neil Simmons and it was meant for a park (correct me if I am wrong) not a stadium. I for one am tired of seeing all this money being spent and the kids or the average citizens won’t be able to use this place. Did they at the very least compensate this man for the property since it will not be used as a park? Wait yes they did, they are called impact fees, oh well my argument is still that it is not for everyone and yet it will cost us a lot.

Wednesday, October 15, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fact is that the area of land where this will be build was donated to the city of brownsville! it is the chunk of land.

WAIT!
WAIT!
IF I READ CORRECTLY,
THE LAND WAS DONATED TO COB FOR A PARK (A LONG TIME AGO),
THEN THE COB SOLD IT TO SOME ONE (CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG),
THEN THEY BOUGHT IT BACK (THE SAME DEAL THAT BISD DID WITH THE, i sell you an acre of land for 10k-20k and then bisd buys the same acre of land for 100k, a total of 10 acres for 1million), wait that is another story.
THEN NOW COB IS TAKING OUR (YOUR, MINE AND OURS) TAX MONEY TO, ALL 7,8 MILLION OF IT TO MAKE A PARK LIKE THE ONE ON RINGOLD PARK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 5 MILLION AND NOW IS 50 MILLION.
OH, I GET IT!!!

Wednesday, October 15, 2008  

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